Tuesday, September 22, 2009

2 Samuel 18

3 comments:

Unknown said...

After reading Paul's exhortation to grace the other day in Philemon, I am struck by Absalom's story here. David who was full of grace "Be gentle with my son Absalom, for my sake." v5

In contrast, we see Joab's hatred of Absalom and his desire for Absalom to pay for his rebellion. It just pierced my own soul to read those words, "Joab took three spears and stbbed him in the heart. Ten youg men wh ocarried Joab's armor also gathered around Absalom and struck him and killed him." v14,15

How awful! Vengeance is mine says the Lord. Vengeance is not becoming on man, in fact, it is sickening. We are to create a culture of sacrificial love, unmerited forgiveness and limitless grace. These we can only attain from the heart of God, who shapes us into the image of His son. David got this. Joab did not.

I was also struck about how we are shaped and influenced by the people we spend time with. (Joab's men) and will subtly be led astray to behave in like manner. Surround ourselves by people who are pursuing God and peace and living in light of eternity.

Berry Girl said...

I can see that, however I was a little bit struck by David's...I don't know...I don't know what word I'm looking for. It's like he refused to see how treacherous and horrible Absalom really was - like he kept on treating him like an errant child, when in fact he was a traitor, and someone who was trying to kill his own father. It's almost like David refused to see the truth, while Joab could see it very clearly and did what had to be done.
Now, perhaps he was out of line to do it since he had been expressly asked to spare Absalom, but I think he did what he did out of necessity?

Obviously, a parent never wants to hurt their child. But this was so extreme...

Unknown said...

P-Guy and I talked about this last night. Can't help but think back to David's experiences with Saul. He knew full well that Saul wanted him dead, I mean, he had to spend years of his life fleeing and hiding, so he was not in denial as to Saul's intentions and hatred toward him and yet his attitude was still the same. He never retaliated, always trusted God to protect him and to bring His will about in an honorable way.

What Joab did was not honorable and could only be viewed as necessary and what had to be done if God was not to be trusted. I tend to think that David's attitude was more one of resting in God's sovreignty and not needing to secure his own protection by murder, because God was more than capable of having Absalom killed or removed from the scene.

I think the scene of Absalom's murder is atrocious and it shows that these men were enraged and acting out their own vengeance, it really shocked me.