Wednesday, October 1, 2008

II Kings 25

3 comments:

Unknown said...

wow. talk about destruction. talk about handing people over to the consequences of their own devices. He warned them. I asked the girls if they thought that all of this would have happened if the people had followed God and kept Him Lord of their lives. Hadn't He promised it wouldn't? Hadn't He said that He would be their protector and provider and rain down blessings both physical and spiritual upon them if they did? Hadn't He warned *exactly* what would happen if they didn't?

This is where I am left to ask "in the trenches, what does grace look like?" If you see someone straying, see the potential wreck looming ahead on their fast track to humanism, wouldn't the loving and gracious thing be to say "stop the train Nellie! You're on the wrong track!"?

But no. This new age of post modern "religious" agnosticism has blurred the map. We just can't know anymore if that really *is* a wrong track.... and anyway, even if it is... maybe God *sent* them down there. And even if He didn't, even if they're chasing Babylon, whatever the case, God can redeem it. Just love 'em. Just pray. Just bide your time and let God be God.

So why the prophets to take God's message of warning to the Israelites? why the apostles to rebuke and warn the church (in love and grace of course) of their foolishness? Why the pastors to "instruct" the people in doctrine and truth? Why believers called to be "His ambassadors" Him making His appeal through us?

Grace yes. Love yes. Silence while people make choices that lead to destruction and captivity? I don't understand why grace has to equate with silence. To me, grace recognizes sin and calls it such without condemning the sinner. That seems impossible. You can't call something sin without condemning someone. You can't say homosexuality is wrong without condemning the homosexual. You can't say... well, you fill in the blank. But Jesus did it. He said to the women caught in adultery "neither do I condemn you." and then... "go and sin no more." He recognized sin without condemning the sinner, but urged her in grace flee sin.

Maybe alot of this has more to do with other stuff in my life than this passage. But the Israelites "condition" here got me thinking even more about all of this. Would it have been "gracious" of the prophets to just keep silent and pray? What the heck is grace anyway?

That's where my head is at today.

Berry Girl said...

I think grace is tied to forgiveness. and maybe understanding. Like you said, grace isn't "excusing" behaviour or just letting things "be", we can call each other on sin (and should) and yet be gracious in that we don't alienate the "sinner" but still extend love to them. God is gracious to us, but He still allows us to experience the consequences of our actions. Loving someone doesn't allow them to continue in sin without saying something - more love is shown in rebuke than in just letting someone go on sinning.
Grace is "unmerrited favour" - we don't deserve God's favour b/c of our sinfullness, but He bestows His favour on us anyway. That doesn't mean that He excuses our sin. On the contrary, we are accountable for it and required to fix it.
at least that's my ramble for this morning. Told you I'm not very good in the mornings :) should have left this for my second cup of coffee...

Unknown said...

well, if that's not "very good" I'm scared to have a conversation with on "lucid" time... thanks friend. Pondering how people feel alienated just by not being agreed with, kwim?