Sunday, November 29, 2009

Hebrews 10

9 comments:

Mac an Rothaich said...

And let us consider how to provoke one another to love and good deeds,...
Liked that part of a very commonly used verse... haven't really seen it emphasized much.

Unknown said...

verse 8 First he said, "Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them" (although the law required them to be made). 9Then he said, "Here I am, I have come to do your will."

This verse really caught my attention. I understand scripture through a dispensationalist interpretation. That God has chosen to set things up in certain ways, under certain covenants, for certain times for a specific purpose but that these ways, covenants, times and purposes blossom or wither and then give way to a new era and way of dealing with mankind. This is why I see the end times and the millenium as two separate dealings of God with His people (the end times with Israel, the millenium with both Israel AND the church).

People who don't see through this dispensational lens have trouble reading Revelation and understanding how the teachings about Jesus "coming" all fit together. I believe He comes once for the Church, and comes again, to redeem Israel from the tribulation and to set up His kingdom for the millenium.

I do feel that this particular passage gives weight to a dispensationalist approach to scripture. Because God set up the sacrificial systems and covenants, but they were not His ultimate desire or the be all and end of all of His plan. He put them aside for a better way, and He keeps showing us a better way each time. All of this for our benefit, that we can see and learn about Him and love Him and marvel in His grace.

I love this kind of stuff.

Unknown said...

v 31. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

This reminds me of our small group study this week. That we often view Satan as Lord of Hell, when in reality GOD is Lord of Hell, and Satan doesn't want to have anything to do with Hell. Satan wants to rule the earth. He will be in bondage and punishment in Hell just like everyone else. Fear the Lord indeed when you realize He is the Lord of Hell!!

Unknown said...

36-39 You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised. For in just a very little while, "He who is coming will come and will not delay. But my righteous one will live by faith. And if he shrinks back, I will not be pleased with him." But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who believe and are saved.


I have trouble reconciling this verse with the doctrine of election as interpreted by Calvinism. If Calvinism were true, we wouldn't have to be urged to persevere. Perseverance would be a given, because God would MAKE us persevere.

Berry Girl said...

I've been having trouble concentrating on reading anything lately, but this chapter was chock full of stuff to think about. I read ch.9 and 10 together - I love how ch.9 explains that while the offerings for sin were made, it still did not cleanse the conscience or the guilt. Ch.10 brings that point home:
"let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water" (v22)

I also loved v.24 "and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds...encouraging one another..."

Chris said...

I'm on a completely different track... my thoughts are all caught up with vs.26-39, about not taking Christ's sacrifice lightly and sinning though the truth is already known. Trying to figure it out so it's clear in my mind before relaying it in a way that's understandable to the youth. "trampling the son of God underfoot" is an agonizing picture of how we mistreat the gift of love Christ gave us.

Your theological vocab kind of loses me sometimes, pchick, but I think I get the general gist. To have a good discussion, I'd need a little more knowledge on ALL of the facets of Calvinism. ;)

Unknown said...

sorry if I delved a bit too deep there. I know that things like the doctrine of election and eschatology (end times) are hard core. Sometimes when I was up to my eyeballs studying stuff with my head about to explode I thought to myself, does it really matter? Do I really need to have an opinion on this? Is it not enough that God is God and I am mortal and He understands my ignorance and I submit to His awesomeness?

Part of me said, yes. That is good. But the other part of me said that without being informed, without being exposed and introduced to the different ways people interpret scriptures, then I am not equipped to truly be a student of God's word. It's not that I need to have the answers. But that it's good to ask questions.

If I read just based on my own paradigm, oh how off I can be and how much truth I can miss! That's what I love about studying different traditions (Jewish, Reformed) to be able to test my own thoughts, test theirs, be a Berean.

It's made a bit of a doctrine junkie out of me. Not that I am any the wiser, for it. Actually, a whole lot humbler, and I am continuously examining all that I read through not just my own eyes, but the eyes of different interpretations to see which can stand the lithmus test of fitting into the big picture.

The picture remains mysterious and foggy so much of the time, but at times I get a good hard jolt and it encourages me to keep my eyes peeled.

Mac an Rothaich said...

'be a Berean'

Right on! I hear yah, haven't had the mental energy to do that for a while but I enjoyed a season of it just before baby boy arrived and hope to again be able to really look at it all in the future:) I can honestly say it all interests me but isn't my gift.

Intellectualism is so important in the church, as a gift to aid others. I have faced some healthy mind bashing lately from some brothers who see it as a tool that sets them above others and have found it painful to talk with them of late... It is a blessing to hear you share your strong mind Prairie Chick.

Berry Girl said...

ah hahaha - I totally had to Google "berean"