And let us consider how to provoke one another to love and good deeds,... Liked that part of a very commonly used verse... haven't really seen it emphasized much.
verse 8 First he said, "Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them" (although the law required them to be made). 9Then he said, "Here I am, I have come to do your will."
This verse really caught my attention. I understand scripture through a dispensationalist interpretation. That God has chosen to set things up in certain ways, under certain covenants, for certain times for a specific purpose but that these ways, covenants, times and purposes blossom or wither and then give way to a new era and way of dealing with mankind. This is why I see the end times and the millenium as two separate dealings of God with His people (the end times with Israel, the millenium with both Israel AND the church).
People who don't see through this dispensational lens have trouble reading Revelation and understanding how the teachings about Jesus "coming" all fit together. I believe He comes once for the Church, and comes again, to redeem Israel from the tribulation and to set up His kingdom for the millenium.
I do feel that this particular passage gives weight to a dispensationalist approach to scripture. Because God set up the sacrificial systems and covenants, but they were not His ultimate desire or the be all and end of all of His plan. He put them aside for a better way, and He keeps showing us a better way each time. All of this for our benefit, that we can see and learn about Him and love Him and marvel in His grace.
v 31. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
This reminds me of our small group study this week. That we often view Satan as Lord of Hell, when in reality GOD is Lord of Hell, and Satan doesn't want to have anything to do with Hell. Satan wants to rule the earth. He will be in bondage and punishment in Hell just like everyone else. Fear the Lord indeed when you realize He is the Lord of Hell!!
36-39 You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised. For in just a very little while, "He who is coming will come and will not delay. But my righteous one will live by faith. And if he shrinks back, I will not be pleased with him." But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who believe and are saved.
I have trouble reconciling this verse with the doctrine of election as interpreted by Calvinism. If Calvinism were true, we wouldn't have to be urged to persevere. Perseverance would be a given, because God would MAKE us persevere.
I've been having trouble concentrating on reading anything lately, but this chapter was chock full of stuff to think about. I read ch.9 and 10 together - I love how ch.9 explains that while the offerings for sin were made, it still did not cleanse the conscience or the guilt. Ch.10 brings that point home: "let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water" (v22)
I also loved v.24 "and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds...encouraging one another..."
I'm on a completely different track... my thoughts are all caught up with vs.26-39, about not taking Christ's sacrifice lightly and sinning though the truth is already known. Trying to figure it out so it's clear in my mind before relaying it in a way that's understandable to the youth. "trampling the son of God underfoot" is an agonizing picture of how we mistreat the gift of love Christ gave us.
Your theological vocab kind of loses me sometimes, pchick, but I think I get the general gist. To have a good discussion, I'd need a little more knowledge on ALL of the facets of Calvinism. ;)
sorry if I delved a bit too deep there. I know that things like the doctrine of election and eschatology (end times) are hard core. Sometimes when I was up to my eyeballs studying stuff with my head about to explode I thought to myself, does it really matter? Do I really need to have an opinion on this? Is it not enough that God is God and I am mortal and He understands my ignorance and I submit to His awesomeness?
Part of me said, yes. That is good. But the other part of me said that without being informed, without being exposed and introduced to the different ways people interpret scriptures, then I am not equipped to truly be a student of God's word. It's not that I need to have the answers. But that it's good to ask questions.
If I read just based on my own paradigm, oh how off I can be and how much truth I can miss! That's what I love about studying different traditions (Jewish, Reformed) to be able to test my own thoughts, test theirs, be a Berean.
It's made a bit of a doctrine junkie out of me. Not that I am any the wiser, for it. Actually, a whole lot humbler, and I am continuously examining all that I read through not just my own eyes, but the eyes of different interpretations to see which can stand the lithmus test of fitting into the big picture.
The picture remains mysterious and foggy so much of the time, but at times I get a good hard jolt and it encourages me to keep my eyes peeled.
Right on! I hear yah, haven't had the mental energy to do that for a while but I enjoyed a season of it just before baby boy arrived and hope to again be able to really look at it all in the future:) I can honestly say it all interests me but isn't my gift.
Intellectualism is so important in the church, as a gift to aid others. I have faced some healthy mind bashing lately from some brothers who see it as a tool that sets them above others and have found it painful to talk with them of late... It is a blessing to hear you share your strong mind Prairie Chick.
We are reading our way through the bible one chapter per day. The idea behind my personal reading plan is to read through books chronologically, but not solely one book at a time. Thus on Monday we read from the books of the law, Tuesday the books of kings and judges, Wednesday the books of Jewish History, Thursday Books of Wisdom, Friday the Prophets, Saturday the Gospels and Sunday the Epistles. The next Monday we pick up at the chapter we left off in ancient history. You may think that this would be disjointed and would cause you to "lose your groove" but I have found the contrary to be true, the threads of promise, redemption and grace show up more clearly as I make my way slowly through these books in a parrallel fashion and when I pick up where I left off a week before I am reminded of things that stood out to me from last week's reading. Journaling is a big part of my processing scripture and fixing particular tidbits in my mind for the purpose of life application. I would love to have you join me!
Basic Reading Plan
Mon (Law): Genesis-Joshua
Tues (Rulers): Judges-Chronicles
Wed (History): Ezra-Psalms
Thurs (Wisdom): Prov-Jer
Fri (Prophets): Lam-Malachi
Sat (Gospels): Matthew-Acts
Sun (Epistles) Romans-Revelation.
The theme I have given each section is general. Joshua is not a book of the law and Psalms is not a book of history. The main chunk of reading in each section is, however, suitably classified as the theme it is under. In order to make the sections even out to have the same general number of books/chapters, this was the closest I could come. Otherwise one would be reading through certain sections (like the Law) for instance, much more often than the wisdom books, etc.
(Fellowship is) an expression of both love and humility. [It] springs from a desire to bring benefit to others, coupled with a sense of personal weakness and need. It has a double motive – the wish to help, and to be helped; to edify, and to be edified. It has a double aim – to do, and to receive, good. It is a seeking by Christian people to know God better through sharing with each other what, individually, they have learned of Him already. J.I. Packer.
A few introductory words of encouragement....
Think of your time feeding on God's Word as a vital aspect of your health and wellness. You wouldn't go a week without brushing your teeth, or eating physical food, don't treat the nourishing of your soul by the Word of God with any less care.
Don't cram multiple chapters if you fall behind of plan, but *do* "back-read" if you have the passion and earnest desire to do so. My habit if I miss a chapter is usually to leave it until that book comes up again the next week (based on my own reading plan) and then read two consecutive chapters rather than the one I am scheduled to read.
Don't be legalistic about the when and how. If you don't get a quiet time in the morning, THAT'S OKAY. Find a moment in the afternoon to grab a drink, sit down and put your feet up, and soak up a chapter. And if that doesn't happen, THAT'S OKAY. Take 15-20 minutes at the end of the day to plump some pillows up in your bed and soak it up before you go to sleep. And if that doesn't happen, IT'S OKAY. Tomorrow is a new day. Don't let the enemy discourage you from spending time in the word TODAY because you didn't YESTERDAY. That's just dumb. Did you get that? DUMB.
If you don't have time to read, meditate. Allow God to bring a passage of scripture to mind and allow yourself to listen. Take time to be quiet in your spirit. While you are washing dishes, folding laundry, vacuuming... cleaning bathrooms.
Spruce things up. Get yourself a PRETTY journal and jot down little things that stand out to you. Use your favourite mug or a pretty glass to pour your favourite drink. Sit in your favourite spot (this could change from day to day and depending on the time of day you read. A sunny spot on the porch in the morning, a wing back chair and a blanket if it's chilly, a garden swing in the shade on a hot afternoon, or plumped up in bed with soft lamplight in the evening. Again, don't be legalistic about the location, pick a happy spot that fits the moment/opportunity.) Oh, and DON'T wait for the pretty journal. Plain lined notepaper or even a crumpled scrap paper will work just FINE until you get one....
Remember while you read, God's word is FOR YOU. yes, it was written to a particular audience in a particular time in history and for a particular reason. But it was also written with YOU in mind, TODAY in mind, and is designed to give you strength and wisdom for the journey.
Claim ONE part of the passage and take it to heart. Read through the chapter without too much introspection at first and see what part most stands out to you. Go back and look at that part more specifically and ask yourself what is in there for YOU?
Ask relevant questions. I usually look at a passage with 2 questions in mind. 1. What does this passage tell me about God's character? 2. What does this passage tell me about humanity (ie, ME, in relation to God? a final and very important question to ask is "What does this passage require of me on a practical level?" Write down one attitude, practice or truth you want you live out TODAY in light of what God has just revealed to you. This is how we take ownership of the Word of God and allow it to relate to us and shape us on a personal level.
Build yourself a monument. As I ponder a passages relevance to me I journal the thoughts that arise. Jotting them down somehow cements my convictions in my mind, almost like laying out stones in a monument so I can go back to that place later and be reminded. I also use those notes to come here and share my thoughts later with others.
Keep your actual quiet time concise. This will help make it more likely the habit will continue to happen on a regular basis. Better to spend 15 minutes in the word daily, than 1 hour once a week.
Don't require absolute "alone" and uninterrupted time (without kids around). If they are around, they can learn to not interrupt you for 15 minutes, just like you spend time with other people when they are around, you can spend time with the Lord with them around too.
Think of God’s Word as a love letter to you. When you read stories of God’s wrath in the Old Testament, think about WHAT love paid the price for all that wrath and how a hand that once smote anyone who dared touch the ark of His covenant now beckons YOU to draw near to the throne of grace. Read everything in light of who God is and how much He loves mankind that in spite of our being so deprived, His love story reaches out, encompasses us, washes us clean, and seeks to draw us near.
May you seek Him, may He be found by you, and may you be blessed on the journey.
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And let us consider how to provoke one another to love and good deeds,...
Liked that part of a very commonly used verse... haven't really seen it emphasized much.
verse 8 First he said, "Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them" (although the law required them to be made). 9Then he said, "Here I am, I have come to do your will."
This verse really caught my attention. I understand scripture through a dispensationalist interpretation. That God has chosen to set things up in certain ways, under certain covenants, for certain times for a specific purpose but that these ways, covenants, times and purposes blossom or wither and then give way to a new era and way of dealing with mankind. This is why I see the end times and the millenium as two separate dealings of God with His people (the end times with Israel, the millenium with both Israel AND the church).
People who don't see through this dispensational lens have trouble reading Revelation and understanding how the teachings about Jesus "coming" all fit together. I believe He comes once for the Church, and comes again, to redeem Israel from the tribulation and to set up His kingdom for the millenium.
I do feel that this particular passage gives weight to a dispensationalist approach to scripture. Because God set up the sacrificial systems and covenants, but they were not His ultimate desire or the be all and end of all of His plan. He put them aside for a better way, and He keeps showing us a better way each time. All of this for our benefit, that we can see and learn about Him and love Him and marvel in His grace.
I love this kind of stuff.
v 31. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
This reminds me of our small group study this week. That we often view Satan as Lord of Hell, when in reality GOD is Lord of Hell, and Satan doesn't want to have anything to do with Hell. Satan wants to rule the earth. He will be in bondage and punishment in Hell just like everyone else. Fear the Lord indeed when you realize He is the Lord of Hell!!
36-39 You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised. For in just a very little while, "He who is coming will come and will not delay. But my righteous one will live by faith. And if he shrinks back, I will not be pleased with him." But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who believe and are saved.
I have trouble reconciling this verse with the doctrine of election as interpreted by Calvinism. If Calvinism were true, we wouldn't have to be urged to persevere. Perseverance would be a given, because God would MAKE us persevere.
I've been having trouble concentrating on reading anything lately, but this chapter was chock full of stuff to think about. I read ch.9 and 10 together - I love how ch.9 explains that while the offerings for sin were made, it still did not cleanse the conscience or the guilt. Ch.10 brings that point home:
"let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water" (v22)
I also loved v.24 "and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds...encouraging one another..."
I'm on a completely different track... my thoughts are all caught up with vs.26-39, about not taking Christ's sacrifice lightly and sinning though the truth is already known. Trying to figure it out so it's clear in my mind before relaying it in a way that's understandable to the youth. "trampling the son of God underfoot" is an agonizing picture of how we mistreat the gift of love Christ gave us.
Your theological vocab kind of loses me sometimes, pchick, but I think I get the general gist. To have a good discussion, I'd need a little more knowledge on ALL of the facets of Calvinism. ;)
sorry if I delved a bit too deep there. I know that things like the doctrine of election and eschatology (end times) are hard core. Sometimes when I was up to my eyeballs studying stuff with my head about to explode I thought to myself, does it really matter? Do I really need to have an opinion on this? Is it not enough that God is God and I am mortal and He understands my ignorance and I submit to His awesomeness?
Part of me said, yes. That is good. But the other part of me said that without being informed, without being exposed and introduced to the different ways people interpret scriptures, then I am not equipped to truly be a student of God's word. It's not that I need to have the answers. But that it's good to ask questions.
If I read just based on my own paradigm, oh how off I can be and how much truth I can miss! That's what I love about studying different traditions (Jewish, Reformed) to be able to test my own thoughts, test theirs, be a Berean.
It's made a bit of a doctrine junkie out of me. Not that I am any the wiser, for it. Actually, a whole lot humbler, and I am continuously examining all that I read through not just my own eyes, but the eyes of different interpretations to see which can stand the lithmus test of fitting into the big picture.
The picture remains mysterious and foggy so much of the time, but at times I get a good hard jolt and it encourages me to keep my eyes peeled.
'be a Berean'
Right on! I hear yah, haven't had the mental energy to do that for a while but I enjoyed a season of it just before baby boy arrived and hope to again be able to really look at it all in the future:) I can honestly say it all interests me but isn't my gift.
Intellectualism is so important in the church, as a gift to aid others. I have faced some healthy mind bashing lately from some brothers who see it as a tool that sets them above others and have found it painful to talk with them of late... It is a blessing to hear you share your strong mind Prairie Chick.
ah hahaha - I totally had to Google "berean"
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