very full day yesterday and didn't get a chance to get on here and comment on my notes... can't even remember what they were now! Running off to Alberta and won't be back till tomorrow night, will post some thoughts when I get the chance.
"A remnant of Israel should be left; at length they should remember the Lord, their obligations to him, and rebellion against him. True penitents see sin to be that abominable thing which the Lord hates. Those who truly loathe sin, loathe themselves because of sin. They give glory to God by their repentance.
Whatever brings men to remember Him, and their sins against him, should be regarded as a blessing.
It is our duty to be affected, not only with our own sins and sufferings, but to look with compassion upon the miseries wicked people bring upon themselves. Sin is a desolating thing; therefore, stand in awe, and sin not. If we know the worth of souls, and the danger to which unbelievers are exposed, we shall deem every sinner who takes refuge in Jesus from the wrath to come, an abundant recompence for all contempt or opposition we may meet with."
v end of 9 and 10 "--how I have been grieved by their adulterous hearts, which have turned away from me, and by their eyes, which have lusted after their idols. They will loathe themselves for the evil they have done and fro all their detestable practices. ANd they will know that I am the Lord; I did not threaten in vain to bring this calamity on them. "
Thsi reminds me of my pre-Christian state but I did not realize why I did not like my self and even that was not changed immediately by giving my heart to God...it required some lifestyle change as well...dropping the sin out of life and what a hard struggle that is. I thinkn th at many in our society have a similar experience and I pray that our contemporaries would in deed see that He is the Lord...and yearn for his freedom.
MaR--The author you quoted is not holding out loathing themselves as a positive, is he? Perhaps it discourages this later on but it just seems disturbing in light of some groups who wish to follow God but go to the extent of self-mutilation...I am confident that God would not want us to do that to "his temple".
good stuff. the "loathing" self.... it's complicated! We have been crucified with Christ and thus it is no longer US that live, but Christ in us, and that sanctifies us in the eyes of God. And yet we still fight with this body of death that is loathsome in itself, but if we hav a proper view of redemption we won't focus on self hatred, but worship of the one who redeemed us and a desire to bring Him glory and pleasure. I think?
I am not totally sure how far his doctrine goes but after spending some time struggling with self hatred I have learned (through my husbands encouragement) that once we are changed in Christ it isn't ourselves we should hate because Jesus treasures us.
Like Paul said we will continue to fight with this nasty sin within us but to remember it is no longer who we are if we are living in and for Christ.
I don't believe in harming oneself physically because this is a spiritual battle and war for the spirit of man, not the body. Also, I have learned that hating ones self often leads to selfish depression and you become little use in your relationship with Christ.
I do however believe we need to remember the danger of sin and constantly examine our hearts even once Christians to make sure we are not letting the old nature take a new hold.
It has been a battle in my life not to be eaten up by guilt but that is why I don't believe in it (guilt), because it blinds me to what Christ has and wants to do with my life.
I understand the deep loathing that comes that this chapter touches on and so I guess that is why I shared the quote... I can identify...
Make any sense? I often feel like I really loose my way in making a point when I am typing on here!
I have learned it is all about focusing on Christ and not my self. Even the church will often teach you should do this and do that and do do do and I have walked in to that trap and focused on fixing myself for Christ instead of letting him fix me:)
We are reading our way through the bible one chapter per day. The idea behind my personal reading plan is to read through books chronologically, but not solely one book at a time. Thus on Monday we read from the books of the law, Tuesday the books of kings and judges, Wednesday the books of Jewish History, Thursday Books of Wisdom, Friday the Prophets, Saturday the Gospels and Sunday the Epistles. The next Monday we pick up at the chapter we left off in ancient history. You may think that this would be disjointed and would cause you to "lose your groove" but I have found the contrary to be true, the threads of promise, redemption and grace show up more clearly as I make my way slowly through these books in a parrallel fashion and when I pick up where I left off a week before I am reminded of things that stood out to me from last week's reading. Journaling is a big part of my processing scripture and fixing particular tidbits in my mind for the purpose of life application. I would love to have you join me!
Basic Reading Plan
Mon (Law): Genesis-Joshua
Tues (Rulers): Judges-Chronicles
Wed (History): Ezra-Psalms
Thurs (Wisdom): Prov-Jer
Fri (Prophets): Lam-Malachi
Sat (Gospels): Matthew-Acts
Sun (Epistles) Romans-Revelation.
The theme I have given each section is general. Joshua is not a book of the law and Psalms is not a book of history. The main chunk of reading in each section is, however, suitably classified as the theme it is under. In order to make the sections even out to have the same general number of books/chapters, this was the closest I could come. Otherwise one would be reading through certain sections (like the Law) for instance, much more often than the wisdom books, etc.
(Fellowship is) an expression of both love and humility. [It] springs from a desire to bring benefit to others, coupled with a sense of personal weakness and need. It has a double motive – the wish to help, and to be helped; to edify, and to be edified. It has a double aim – to do, and to receive, good. It is a seeking by Christian people to know God better through sharing with each other what, individually, they have learned of Him already. J.I. Packer.
A few introductory words of encouragement....
Think of your time feeding on God's Word as a vital aspect of your health and wellness. You wouldn't go a week without brushing your teeth, or eating physical food, don't treat the nourishing of your soul by the Word of God with any less care.
Don't cram multiple chapters if you fall behind of plan, but *do* "back-read" if you have the passion and earnest desire to do so. My habit if I miss a chapter is usually to leave it until that book comes up again the next week (based on my own reading plan) and then read two consecutive chapters rather than the one I am scheduled to read.
Don't be legalistic about the when and how. If you don't get a quiet time in the morning, THAT'S OKAY. Find a moment in the afternoon to grab a drink, sit down and put your feet up, and soak up a chapter. And if that doesn't happen, THAT'S OKAY. Take 15-20 minutes at the end of the day to plump some pillows up in your bed and soak it up before you go to sleep. And if that doesn't happen, IT'S OKAY. Tomorrow is a new day. Don't let the enemy discourage you from spending time in the word TODAY because you didn't YESTERDAY. That's just dumb. Did you get that? DUMB.
If you don't have time to read, meditate. Allow God to bring a passage of scripture to mind and allow yourself to listen. Take time to be quiet in your spirit. While you are washing dishes, folding laundry, vacuuming... cleaning bathrooms.
Spruce things up. Get yourself a PRETTY journal and jot down little things that stand out to you. Use your favourite mug or a pretty glass to pour your favourite drink. Sit in your favourite spot (this could change from day to day and depending on the time of day you read. A sunny spot on the porch in the morning, a wing back chair and a blanket if it's chilly, a garden swing in the shade on a hot afternoon, or plumped up in bed with soft lamplight in the evening. Again, don't be legalistic about the location, pick a happy spot that fits the moment/opportunity.) Oh, and DON'T wait for the pretty journal. Plain lined notepaper or even a crumpled scrap paper will work just FINE until you get one....
Remember while you read, God's word is FOR YOU. yes, it was written to a particular audience in a particular time in history and for a particular reason. But it was also written with YOU in mind, TODAY in mind, and is designed to give you strength and wisdom for the journey.
Claim ONE part of the passage and take it to heart. Read through the chapter without too much introspection at first and see what part most stands out to you. Go back and look at that part more specifically and ask yourself what is in there for YOU?
Ask relevant questions. I usually look at a passage with 2 questions in mind. 1. What does this passage tell me about God's character? 2. What does this passage tell me about humanity (ie, ME, in relation to God? a final and very important question to ask is "What does this passage require of me on a practical level?" Write down one attitude, practice or truth you want you live out TODAY in light of what God has just revealed to you. This is how we take ownership of the Word of God and allow it to relate to us and shape us on a personal level.
Build yourself a monument. As I ponder a passages relevance to me I journal the thoughts that arise. Jotting them down somehow cements my convictions in my mind, almost like laying out stones in a monument so I can go back to that place later and be reminded. I also use those notes to come here and share my thoughts later with others.
Keep your actual quiet time concise. This will help make it more likely the habit will continue to happen on a regular basis. Better to spend 15 minutes in the word daily, than 1 hour once a week.
Don't require absolute "alone" and uninterrupted time (without kids around). If they are around, they can learn to not interrupt you for 15 minutes, just like you spend time with other people when they are around, you can spend time with the Lord with them around too.
Think of God’s Word as a love letter to you. When you read stories of God’s wrath in the Old Testament, think about WHAT love paid the price for all that wrath and how a hand that once smote anyone who dared touch the ark of His covenant now beckons YOU to draw near to the throne of grace. Read everything in light of who God is and how much He loves mankind that in spite of our being so deprived, His love story reaches out, encompasses us, washes us clean, and seeks to draw us near.
May you seek Him, may He be found by you, and may you be blessed on the journey.
6 comments:
very full day yesterday and didn't get a chance to get on here and comment on my notes... can't even remember what they were now! Running off to Alberta and won't be back till tomorrow night, will post some thoughts when I get the chance.
"A remnant of Israel should be left; at length they should remember the Lord, their obligations to him, and rebellion against him. True penitents see sin to be that abominable thing which the Lord hates. Those who truly loathe sin, loathe themselves because of sin. They give glory to God by their repentance.
Whatever brings men to remember Him, and their sins against him, should be regarded as a blessing.
It is our duty to be affected, not only with our own sins and sufferings, but to look with compassion upon the miseries wicked people bring upon themselves. Sin is a desolating thing; therefore, stand in awe, and sin not. If we know the worth of souls, and the danger to which unbelievers are exposed, we shall deem every sinner who takes refuge in Jesus from the wrath to come, an abundant recompence for all contempt or opposition we may meet with."
From a M. Henry commentary
v end of 9 and 10 "--how I have been grieved by their adulterous hearts, which have turned away from me, and by their eyes, which have lusted after their idols. They will loathe themselves for the evil they have done and fro all their detestable practices. ANd they will know that I am the Lord; I did not threaten in vain to bring this calamity on them. "
Thsi reminds me of my pre-Christian state but I did not realize why I did not like my self and even that was not changed immediately by giving my heart to God...it required some lifestyle change as well...dropping the sin out of life and what a hard struggle that is. I thinkn th at many in our society have a similar experience and I pray that our contemporaries would in deed see that He is the Lord...and yearn for his freedom.
MaR--The author you quoted is not holding out loathing themselves as a positive, is he? Perhaps it discourages this later on but it just seems disturbing in light of some groups who wish to follow God but go to the extent of self-mutilation...I am confident that God would not want us to do that to "his temple".
good stuff. the "loathing" self.... it's complicated! We have been crucified with Christ and thus it is no longer US that live, but Christ in us, and that sanctifies us in the eyes of God. And yet we still fight with this body of death that is loathsome in itself, but if we hav a proper view of redemption we won't focus on self hatred, but worship of the one who redeemed us and a desire to bring Him glory and pleasure. I think?
I am not totally sure how far his doctrine goes but after spending some time struggling with self hatred I have learned (through my husbands encouragement) that once we are changed in Christ it isn't ourselves we should hate because Jesus treasures us.
Like Paul said we will continue to fight with this nasty sin within us but to remember it is no longer who we are if we are living in and for Christ.
I don't believe in harming oneself physically because this is a spiritual battle and war for the spirit of man, not the body.
Also, I have learned that hating ones self often leads to selfish depression and you become little use in your relationship with Christ.
I do however believe we need to remember the danger of sin and constantly examine our hearts even once Christians to make sure we are not letting the old nature take a new hold.
It has been a battle in my life not to be eaten up by guilt but that is why I don't believe in it (guilt), because it blinds me to what Christ has and wants to do with my life.
I understand the deep loathing that comes that this chapter touches on and so I guess that is why I shared the quote... I can identify...
Make any sense? I often feel like I really loose my way in making a point when I am typing on here!
Prairie Chick
Yes I totally agree with your comment. AMEN!
I have learned it is all about focusing on Christ and not my self. Even the church will often teach you should do this and do that and do do do and I have walked in to that trap and focused on fixing myself for Christ instead of letting him fix me:)
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