"It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter" - I love that. It so aptly describes us and God. There is so much that we simply cannot understand about Him and about life, but we take great pleasure in the debate and research and experimentation to find answers and discover new things. It just shows God's unsearchableness and our unending curiosity :)
I'm here too, although I haven't ever commented before. There are so many good things in this passage, but one I wonder about. Does anyone have any insight into verse 27 -- "It is not good to eat too much honey, nor is it honorable to search out matters that are too deep."?
So good to meet with you ladies here this morning :) For me the resounding theme of this chapter seemed to be self control in all matters. One of the verses that stood out to me the most was v4.
"Remove the scum from the silver so the silver can be used by the silversmith." It fits with what I learned about sanctification this week for small group (blogged about it at Prairie Prologue). We are justified in Christ which will result in our future glorification, all by and to the glory of God, but the work of sanctification (removing the scum from our lives) is a work that we must enter into daily thru the leading and empowering of the Holy Spirit, in partnership with Him. The more scum we remove, the more we will reflect His glory.
Verse 27... I think this verse is still pointing to self control. It makes me think of something that Solomon says at the end of Ecclesiastes (12:12) about how people are always writing books, and too much study will make you tired but how we should simply put our focus on honoring God and obeying His commands.
Personally in my life what I have taken this to mean is that while I highly value and believe God commands us to study and know His statutes, there is a point where you can drive yourself insane trying to understand deep matters or even debating certain issues that remain unclear and murky to us (the debate of election and free will for instance).
My translation for verse 27 reads as follows; "it is not good to eat too much honey, nor does it bring you honor to brag about what you know."
There are people out there who truly believe that they have every biblical doctrine and teaching pegged and filed systematically, under their belt. They come off as proud and haughty that anyone who thinks differently just isn't smart enough to have "figured it out" yet. I think this verse is referring to people like that, and it really does tie in so well with Jen's comment this morning. "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter."
We must let God be God, and while it is our duty to draw as near Him as we can in our daily walk, never to obsess so much about knowledge that we miss the point... which is relationship.
That's my take on it anyway!
So fun to meet and discuss, I love this kind of interaction. Have a great day, ladies!
If your enemy is hungry,give him food to eat.If he is thirsty,give him water to drink.By doing those things,you will pile up burning coals on his head.And the Lord will reward you.-vs 21-22
If somebody hurts you don't hurt him back,instead say "please don't."And treat him nicely even if he hurt you,because God likes it when you are kind to your enemys.
"Telling lies about others is as harmful as hitting them with an ax,wounding them with a sword,or shooting them with a sharp arrow."-vs 18
If you lie to someone you will no longer have thier trust and you will no longer be thier friend.Ifyou lie to someone they may tell your other friends and then youwill have no friends.If you tell a lie the person you lie to will be hurt.
yes, my translation of v27 is "Nor is it glory to search out one's own glory" - my notes say that eating honey is analogous to enjoying the sweetness of your own self-glory.
Thanks for your comments on vs 27. Good thoughts. Another verse that struck me yesterday was verse 20 Like one who takes away a garment on a cold day, or like vinegar poured on a wound, is one who sings songs to a heavy heart. Yesterday, I was spending time with my son who was struggling with something and, after reading this verse, resolved not to be overly cheerful. It turned out to be the right thing to do, so I was thankful to God for His leading.
We are reading our way through the bible one chapter per day. The idea behind my personal reading plan is to read through books chronologically, but not solely one book at a time. Thus on Monday we read from the books of the law, Tuesday the books of kings and judges, Wednesday the books of Jewish History, Thursday Books of Wisdom, Friday the Prophets, Saturday the Gospels and Sunday the Epistles. The next Monday we pick up at the chapter we left off in ancient history. You may think that this would be disjointed and would cause you to "lose your groove" but I have found the contrary to be true, the threads of promise, redemption and grace show up more clearly as I make my way slowly through these books in a parrallel fashion and when I pick up where I left off a week before I am reminded of things that stood out to me from last week's reading. Journaling is a big part of my processing scripture and fixing particular tidbits in my mind for the purpose of life application. I would love to have you join me!
Basic Reading Plan
Mon (Law): Genesis-Joshua
Tues (Rulers): Judges-Chronicles
Wed (History): Ezra-Psalms
Thurs (Wisdom): Prov-Jer
Fri (Prophets): Lam-Malachi
Sat (Gospels): Matthew-Acts
Sun (Epistles) Romans-Revelation.
The theme I have given each section is general. Joshua is not a book of the law and Psalms is not a book of history. The main chunk of reading in each section is, however, suitably classified as the theme it is under. In order to make the sections even out to have the same general number of books/chapters, this was the closest I could come. Otherwise one would be reading through certain sections (like the Law) for instance, much more often than the wisdom books, etc.
(Fellowship is) an expression of both love and humility. [It] springs from a desire to bring benefit to others, coupled with a sense of personal weakness and need. It has a double motive – the wish to help, and to be helped; to edify, and to be edified. It has a double aim – to do, and to receive, good. It is a seeking by Christian people to know God better through sharing with each other what, individually, they have learned of Him already. J.I. Packer.
A few introductory words of encouragement....
Think of your time feeding on God's Word as a vital aspect of your health and wellness. You wouldn't go a week without brushing your teeth, or eating physical food, don't treat the nourishing of your soul by the Word of God with any less care.
Don't cram multiple chapters if you fall behind of plan, but *do* "back-read" if you have the passion and earnest desire to do so. My habit if I miss a chapter is usually to leave it until that book comes up again the next week (based on my own reading plan) and then read two consecutive chapters rather than the one I am scheduled to read.
Don't be legalistic about the when and how. If you don't get a quiet time in the morning, THAT'S OKAY. Find a moment in the afternoon to grab a drink, sit down and put your feet up, and soak up a chapter. And if that doesn't happen, THAT'S OKAY. Take 15-20 minutes at the end of the day to plump some pillows up in your bed and soak it up before you go to sleep. And if that doesn't happen, IT'S OKAY. Tomorrow is a new day. Don't let the enemy discourage you from spending time in the word TODAY because you didn't YESTERDAY. That's just dumb. Did you get that? DUMB.
If you don't have time to read, meditate. Allow God to bring a passage of scripture to mind and allow yourself to listen. Take time to be quiet in your spirit. While you are washing dishes, folding laundry, vacuuming... cleaning bathrooms.
Spruce things up. Get yourself a PRETTY journal and jot down little things that stand out to you. Use your favourite mug or a pretty glass to pour your favourite drink. Sit in your favourite spot (this could change from day to day and depending on the time of day you read. A sunny spot on the porch in the morning, a wing back chair and a blanket if it's chilly, a garden swing in the shade on a hot afternoon, or plumped up in bed with soft lamplight in the evening. Again, don't be legalistic about the location, pick a happy spot that fits the moment/opportunity.) Oh, and DON'T wait for the pretty journal. Plain lined notepaper or even a crumpled scrap paper will work just FINE until you get one....
Remember while you read, God's word is FOR YOU. yes, it was written to a particular audience in a particular time in history and for a particular reason. But it was also written with YOU in mind, TODAY in mind, and is designed to give you strength and wisdom for the journey.
Claim ONE part of the passage and take it to heart. Read through the chapter without too much introspection at first and see what part most stands out to you. Go back and look at that part more specifically and ask yourself what is in there for YOU?
Ask relevant questions. I usually look at a passage with 2 questions in mind. 1. What does this passage tell me about God's character? 2. What does this passage tell me about humanity (ie, ME, in relation to God? a final and very important question to ask is "What does this passage require of me on a practical level?" Write down one attitude, practice or truth you want you live out TODAY in light of what God has just revealed to you. This is how we take ownership of the Word of God and allow it to relate to us and shape us on a personal level.
Build yourself a monument. As I ponder a passages relevance to me I journal the thoughts that arise. Jotting them down somehow cements my convictions in my mind, almost like laying out stones in a monument so I can go back to that place later and be reminded. I also use those notes to come here and share my thoughts later with others.
Keep your actual quiet time concise. This will help make it more likely the habit will continue to happen on a regular basis. Better to spend 15 minutes in the word daily, than 1 hour once a week.
Don't require absolute "alone" and uninterrupted time (without kids around). If they are around, they can learn to not interrupt you for 15 minutes, just like you spend time with other people when they are around, you can spend time with the Lord with them around too.
Think of God’s Word as a love letter to you. When you read stories of God’s wrath in the Old Testament, think about WHAT love paid the price for all that wrath and how a hand that once smote anyone who dared touch the ark of His covenant now beckons YOU to draw near to the throne of grace. Read everything in light of who God is and how much He loves mankind that in spite of our being so deprived, His love story reaches out, encompasses us, washes us clean, and seeks to draw us near.
May you seek Him, may He be found by you, and may you be blessed on the journey.
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"It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter" - I love that. It so aptly describes us and God. There is so much that we simply cannot understand about Him and about life, but we take great pleasure in the debate and research and experimentation to find answers and discover new things. It just shows God's unsearchableness and our unending curiosity :)
I'm here too, although I haven't ever commented before.
There are so many good things in this passage, but one I wonder about. Does anyone have any insight into verse 27 -- "It is not good to eat too much honey,
nor is it honorable to search out matters that are too deep."?
So good to meet with you ladies here this morning :) For me the resounding theme of this chapter seemed to be self control in all matters. One of the verses that stood out to me the most was v4.
"Remove the scum from the silver so the silver can be used by the silversmith." It fits with what I learned about sanctification this week for small group (blogged about it at Prairie Prologue). We are justified in Christ which will result in our future glorification, all by and to the glory of God, but the work of sanctification (removing the scum from our lives) is a work that we must enter into daily thru the leading and empowering of the Holy Spirit, in partnership with Him. The more scum we remove, the more we will reflect His glory.
Verse 27... I think this verse is still pointing to self control. It makes me think of something that Solomon says at the end of Ecclesiastes (12:12) about how people are always writing books, and too much study will make you tired but how we should simply put our focus on honoring God and obeying His commands.
Personally in my life what I have taken this to mean is that while I highly value and believe God commands us to study and know His statutes, there is a point where you can drive yourself insane trying to understand deep matters or even debating certain issues that remain unclear and murky to us (the debate of election and free will for instance).
My translation for verse 27 reads as follows; "it is not good to eat too much honey, nor does it bring you honor to brag about what you know."
There are people out there who truly believe that they have every biblical doctrine and teaching pegged and filed systematically, under their belt. They come off as proud and haughty that anyone who thinks differently just isn't smart enough to have "figured it out" yet. I think this verse is referring to people like that, and it really does tie in so well with Jen's comment this morning. "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter."
We must let God be God, and while it is our duty to draw as near Him as we can in our daily walk, never to obsess so much about knowledge that we miss the point... which is relationship.
That's my take on it anyway!
So fun to meet and discuss, I love this kind of interaction. Have a great day, ladies!
I just looked back at Shailey's verse and comment from yesterday's passage. Totally ties in with this theme of knowledge and mystery as well. love it.
If your enemy is hungry,give him food to eat.If he is thirsty,give him water to drink.By doing those things,you will pile up burning coals on his head.And the Lord will reward you.-vs 21-22
If somebody hurts you don't hurt him back,instead say "please don't."And treat him nicely even if he hurt you,because God likes it when you are kind to your enemys.
-Elisa
"Telling lies about others is as harmful as hitting them with an ax,wounding them with a sword,or shooting them with a sharp arrow."-vs 18
If you lie to someone you will no longer have thier trust and you will no longer be thier friend.Ifyou lie to someone they may tell your other friends and then youwill have no friends.If you tell a lie the person you lie to will be hurt.
yes, my translation of v27 is "Nor is it glory to search out one's own glory" - my notes say that eating honey is analogous to enjoying the sweetness of your own self-glory.
Thanks for your comments on vs 27. Good thoughts. Another verse that struck me yesterday was verse 20 Like one who takes away a garment on a cold day,
or like vinegar poured on a wound,
is one who sings songs to a heavy heart.
Yesterday, I was spending time with my son who was struggling with something and, after reading this verse, resolved not to be overly cheerful. It turned out to be the right thing to do, so I was thankful to God for His leading.
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